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Waves Offering Second Licenses for All Plugins Covered By Update Plan

Waves Audio is now offering a new addition to its Waves Update Plan: effective immediately, a second license for plugins and bundles are covered under the Update Plan. In addition, the company states that it will be offering access and discounts on exclusive premium content, with details to be announced soon.

Users are now be able to use their second license on a different computer without having to move licenses back and forth between devices. Those owning products that are currently covered by the Waves Update Plan can immediately log in to their Waves account at waves.com and register their second license/s.

All Waves plugin and bundle purchases come with one year of the Update Plan, meaning that starting today, alk plugin and bundle purchases also come with a second license for one full year.

The new second license benefit applies to all Waves plugin and bundle purchases across the board. The only exclusions are Waves applications (such as eMotion LV1, SuperRack, and SoundGrid Studio) and Waves Music Maker Access subscriptions.

In addition, users with current Update Plan coverage will soon be provided with premium access and discounts on premium content, including masterclasses with the top producers and engineers. More details about this aspect are coming soon, according to the company.

Go here to learn more about the Waves Update Plan.

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Adding Waves licenses to iLok - not possible?


From searching the forums it seems that I cannot put my Waves licenses on my iLok. Is that correct?

iLok simply does not show up on the Waves Central installer. So it seems like I need to get a USB drive dedicated to my waves plugins.

If I'm wrong, I would love if someone would correct me. Thanks.

You can't put them on an iLok, but you can authorize them on the hard drive of your computer so you wouldn't need an additional USB drive.

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You can't put them on an iLok, but you can authorize them on the hard drive of your computer so you wouldn't need an additional USB drive.

Thanks! This is the problem I'm encountering, since I recently picked up a second computer.

Also, holy crap and not anticipated. I've moved my Waves licenses to a dedicated USB that is plugged in next to my iLok. I'm now realizing I will have to constantly be ejecting and mounting this USB drive every time I connect/disconnect my computer.

I may never again speak a negative thought about iLoks.

Can you partition an iLok and run Waves v9?

Similar discussion, making mine somewhat redundant. Although it's closed to further conversation, so...

If anyone has a solution for getting around the need to eject/remount my usb every time, I'm looking forward to hearing it.

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Can you partition an iLok and run Waves v9?

Similar discussion, making mine somewhat redundant. Although it's closed to further conversation, so...

If anyone has a solution for getting around the need to eject/remount my usb every time, I'm looking forward to hearing it.

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Why d you have to eject/remount your usb thumb drive?

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You can't put them on an iLok, but you can authorize them on the hard drive of your computer so you wouldn't need an additional USB drive.

I have mine license to my hard drive but I am still required to be online

The only way to be offline is to put them on a USB stick

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Why d you have to eject/remount your usb thumb drive?

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USB drive and ilok are plugged into a hub (behringer x-touch, actually) that I alternate between plugging my laptop in and my iMac (when I choose to lug it home from the office).

Even when I leave one plugged in, I turn off the xtouch and forget to eject the drive. Surely we have the technology to get around this

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USB drive and ilok are plugged into a hub (behringer x-touch, actually) that I alternate between plugging my laptop in and my iMac (when I choose to lug it home from the office).

Even when I leave one plugged in, I turn off the xtouch and forget to eject the drive. Surely we have the technology to get around this

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Ah OK. Thought maybe you were having issues leaving the thumb in when turning the computer on and off. Seen that before depending the formatting of the thumb drive.
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There is no need to be online when using Waves plugins which can be authorised to the computer or a USB stick.

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I still load my Waves licenses onto my iLok 2. It has been perfectly happy for many years on my Windows 7 machine. I understand that this is not recommended, and apparently doesn't work for many others, but it has been working for me for years, even with new 2017 products.

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I still load my Waves licenses onto my iLok 2. It has been perfectly happy for many years on my Windows 7 machine. I understand that this is not recommended, and apparently doesn't work for many others, but it has been working for me for years, even with new 2017 products.

You are not using the most current version of the Waves plugins then.

From Version 9 onwards they did not allow you to use the iLok for Waves licenses. If you are using the iLok system for Waves, then you are using version 8 or earlier.

There's literally no way to put those licenses on the iLok system since Waves now uses their own Licensing Center.

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You are not using the most current version of the Waves plugins then.

From Version 9 onwards they did not allow you to use the iLok for Waves licenses. If you are using the iLok system for Waves, then you are using version 8 or earlier.

There's literally no way to put those licenses on the iLok system since Waves now uses their own Licensing Center.

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No way, except that I am. All plugs are fully updated to version 9 (I just reloaded them all from scratch a month or two ago) and I have added a half dozen new licenses in 2017, such as the keyboard VIs. I know it isn't supposed to work, but it does. I can't explain it. The Waves licensing center recognizes my iLok as a valid USB drive (it even says "iLok" right there in the list of available drives) and lets me use it.

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The Waves licensing center recognizes my iLok as a valid USB drive (it even says "iLok" right there in the list of available drives) and lets me use it.

Clearly I didn't understand what you were saying. I thought you meant that you were able to put your Waves licenses on your iLok using the iLok Manager.

So I went and tried it myself. My iLok 2 is not recognized by the Waves Center. Doesn't see it at all and doesn't give any options to put the Waves licenses on the iLok.

I wonder if you got an iLok with an early firmware or haven't updated it or something? That's interesting that the Waves Licensing Center sees your iLok though...

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I wonder if you got an iLok with an early firmware or haven't updated it or something? That's interesting that the Waves Licensing Center sees your iLok though...

My ilok has to be six years old or more, and as far as I know I have never updated the device itself, only the iLok manager software. And yes, it is the Waves Central software recognizes it and allows me to put licenses on it, not the iLok manager. It's just a curiosity, but it is convenient for me at the moment.

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My ilok has to be six years old or more, and as far as I know I have never updated the device itself, only the iLok manager software. And yes, it is the Waves Central software recognizes it and allows me to put licenses on it, not the iLok manager. It's just a curiosity, but it is convenient for me at the moment.

You know, I think I would be leery about continuing in that same manner. You might wake up one day and realize that an update to one or the other killed that bug and then you'll be hosed.

MAybe one of us should email Wave and ask them what is the official policy on the iLok usb sticks and also what is required for offline usage

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You know, I think I would be leery about continuing in that same manner. You might wake up one day and realize that an update to one or the other killed that bug and then you'll be hosed.

Yup, big time.

When you follow the progress during installation with Waves Central, you'll notice that they routinely install Pace extensions, to this day. So, it's not a bug but perhaps some kind of (undocumented?) provision for backward compatibility.

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You know, I think I would be leery about continuing in that same manner. You might wake up one day and realize that an update to one or the other killed that bug and then you'll be hosed.

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Does this work? I'd dump all my iLok authorizations and have the home studio I always wanted. Not have to worry about hard drive authorizations and be able to use any computer here, one at a time. I suppose audio-over-LAN might have drawbacks but I could put those authorizations on the most reliable computer.
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Plugin And Software Managers - The Most Comprehensive Guide On The Web

Cast your mind back ten or so years ago. Do you remember what the experience was like installing, authorizing and managing your plug-in purchases on your studio computer? Do you remember the pain of using challenge/response codes for authorising plug-ins from printed cards? Or before that authorising with floppy disks? We remember all these struggles well. Thank heavens those days are long behind us!

There are quite a few licence managers these days made by several of the industry's top developers, which make this process simpler. Brands such as Waves, Toontrack, iZotope and many others have released applications designed to help their users get their plug-ins and software purchases up and running with little fuss. These applications enable users to activate, deauthorize and move licenses between machines quickly. Some managers go well beyond licensing providing management of software downloads, installs, updates and uninstalls. If you are new to buying plug-ins from third-party developers, then it's good to know what application managers are available designed to make the process of buying and setting up new software purchases easier.

In this article, we take a whistle-stop tour around some of the most popular applications for managing your plug-in licences and installers. Some of the following applications don't need much explaining as they are incredibly simple to use. Others are slightly more complex. Read on to learn about the plug-in licence and installer managers you can use today.

Antares Central

Antares is currently in the process of transitioning from iLok to computer authorisation, which uses their new Antares Central app. With this app users can register, authorise, de-authorise and manage their Antares licenses. The buy and demo sections at present only open web browsers directly to the Antares product pages on their site.

All new releases and updates use Antares Central for authorisation. Recent releases using Antares Central include Auto-Tune Access, Auto-Tune EFX+, Auto-Tune Artist and Auto-Key.

Auto-Tune Pro and AVOX 4 are still iLok authorised but Antares has informed us that licence management for both of these titles will be transitioning to Antares Central very soon.

Avid Link

Avid, the makers of Pro Tools, replaced the unreliable Avid Application Manager with the release of Avid Link earlier in 2019. There is a products section in Avid Link which helps users keep track of all their Avid software and Avid plug-ins. This is where users manage, download, install, update, redeem, and renew purchases and plans. Avid Link is so much more than just an application manager. It also provides some cool profile, search and messaging systems designed to help creatives collaborate. Read more about Avid Link in our article Avid Release Avid Link App To Replace The Old Avid Application Manager App

EastWest Installation Center

EastWest’s Composer Cloud subscriptions are very popular as they provide a very cost-effective solution to virtual instruments including a massive array of sample library content. To manage these libraries, EastWest's Installation Centre makes it easy for users to install and activate individual products included in their subscriptions. If you find you have limited hard drive space this app is particularly useful if you do not want to install the complete package on your system.

Gobbler 

Gobbler is predominately a plug-in subscription platform that many top plug-in developers use to provide their software subscription titles. Gobbler includes the likes of Softube, Slate Digital, Eventide, Sonnox, McDSP with many more joining the subscription revolution as the years go by. Gobbler’s plug-in manager enables users to access, install, update and uninstall plug-ins they subscribe to use. On Apple computers, the Gobbler app is easily accessible from the top menu.

IK Multimedia

IK Multimedia’s product managing systems isn’t as clear cut as it should be. There are two applications you will find yourself using if you routinely purchase software titles from IK. We explain the differences between these applications below.

IK Authorization Manager

IK's Authorization Manager application is for registering and authorizing new IK software and hardware purchases. However, users can't seem to be able to copy and paste their product codes into the application. You will need to enter product codes in manually, which can lead to the occasional mistake as codes are 18 characters long. Multiple product registrations can be actioned at once, which can save users time if they have purchased several products in one go. There is also the ability to authorise offline, handy if your computer doesn't have an internet connection.

IK users sadly cannot deauthorize their plug-ins if they need to move from their current machine to a new computer. Instead, IK provides ten authorisations per purchase meaning you will use up one activation each time you retire one machine and start afresh on another. To access your registration codes you will need to log in to your IK account on the IK website.

IK Multimedia Custom Shop

IK Multimedia’s Custom Shop is a standalone application which feels a bit similar to Apple’s App Store. Here you can demo and purchase expansion packs for IK’s popular guitar system Amplitube, T-RackS plug-in suite and sample library SampleTank. It’s simple to use though to make purchases you need first to buy a credit balance that can be used to purchase products. On a side note, what’s wrong with real currency?

When a purchase is confirmed, Custom Shop sorts out the installation making your expansions ready to go the next the time you launch Amplitube, T-RackS or SampleTank.

iZotope Product Portal

You are provided with a serial number you purchase an iZotope product through one of their authorised resellers. You can paste these codes into iZotope’s Product Portal to activate your plug-ins and to download the software. The portal will also alert you if there are any available updates for the plug-ins you use. The portal gives you a choice to either authorise your products to your iLok account or on your machine or both if you wish.

Native Instruments - Native Access

Native Access enables Native Instrument users to install, register and update their NI plug-ins and libraries. Before Native Access, Service Center was the tool for managing NI titles but it wasn't always great as it was prone to crashing, not the case with Native Access. This application is rock solid and provides all the information we need regarding updates, serial numbers and install locations.

PACE iLok

iLok has been and continues to be one of the most well known plug-in licence managers in the audio industry. A massive number of third-party plug-in developers use it to protect their intellectual property from software piracy. Over the years iLok has evolved from using floppy disks to using a USB dongle dependant to a standalone application and more recently extended to cloud-based and Network attached systems. If you choose to use an iLok USB you can easily carry your software licenses around with you between studios. You can also opt to use the cloud instead of the USB to access your licenses if you are producing on the go. Some brands allow users to dispense with the USB dongle and use machine authorisations via the iLok License Manager but it is up to the software developers as to whether they will permit this option. The other route to an iLok dongle free workflow is to use the iLok Cloud, but this does depend on a reliable internet connection. If you are new to iLok and need to learn how to use the License Manager software then check out our Tutorial - How To Use The iLok License Manager Software.

Plugin Alliance Installation Manager

Plugin Alliance’s Installation Manager enables their users to activate their plug-in purchases or demos authorising to either their machines or a USB stick. It also allows users to download and install their Plugin Alliance products without needing to visit the Plugin Alliance website.

Softube Central

Released earlier in 2019, Softube Central is an all-in-one installer handling installation and plug-in license activation of Softube plug-ins. Users need to first link their iLok accounts in the My Account section of the Softube website in order to download the application. When you have logged in to Softube Central you will have an overview of your Softube products, the amount of authorizations you have used and the ability to install your plug-ins with only a few clicks of the mouse.

Toontrack Product Manager

Toontrack released their product manager in 2016 and absolutely nailed it. Before this, we had to log in to our Toontrack accounts directly on the Toontrack website when our purchases needed authorising. This account-based system worked but, like other direct account-based website solutions, it wasn't perfect. Toontrack has moved on, giving us a standalone product manager application that those of us that use it to be one of the most straightforward application managers around.

To get new product purchases up and running you need to copy and paste your registration codes into the Register New Code section. Your new title will then populate in the main window, providing options to download, install and authorise displaying small ticks when each process completes. The manager also prompts you if any of your products have updates available, giving us a choice to action updates or not. If you have several Toontrack titles in your account in need of updates, these can be easily actioning in bulk with a single click of the download updates button.

Toontrack allows two active authorisations at one time with four total authorisations per purchase. This means that you can have two computers authorised to use your Toontrack product concurrently (however not in use at the same time, as per the EULA). One typical example is that a user has one permanent studio computer and also one laptop they use to produce music with. Their product manager displays which machines are authorised for the products you have in your collection. With most License Manager apps, when you need to remove or deauthorise a computer, you need to be logged in to that particular machine. Not the case with the Toontrack Product Manager. If you need to remove authorisations from your laptop, you can do this remotely by being logged into the Toontrack Product Manager from a different computer.

Many moons ago Waves plug-in licences were managed via iLok and before that a HASP dongle. Waves have since moved across to their own licence format and application manager called Waves Central. It works well, even if it has at times proved to be a bit troublesome.

Activating your Waves purchases is simple enough in Waves Central. Your new purchase will populate in the Easy Install And Activate section after purchasing a plug-in from the Waves website. Simply click the checkbox next to your product and install. On occasion, you will be prompted to update your existing plug-ins. Luckily you get the choice to ignore this if you prefer to not run any updates on your other Waves plug-ins. Moving your licenses between machines is also easy enough under the Manage Licence section within Waves Central. Two simple methods of moving your licenses between computers are to either use a USB drive or My License Cloud.

Dan regularly buys Waves plug-ins and has not experienced any problems with Waves Central on his Apple machines. We have seen reports of Waves Central being glitchy from time to time but don't let that put you off using Waves plug-ins. If you do experience problems authorizing your Waves purchases, we recommend contacting Waves support directly as their support team is very attentive.

In Summary

As this article shows, there are many very useful applications such as the ones we've highlighted in this article that help us get our studio software titles up and running in no time at all. Some are very basic providing simple authorisation. Others are more complex providing install managers and other features not too dissimilar to social media. Above all, plug-in licence managers are incredibly helpful tools, especially when migrating from an old studio computer to a new machine.

Which plug-in developers do you feel would benefit from having their own licence and install manager applications? Is there any way developers could come together to reduce the number of these applications we need?

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Welcome to another dime-a-dozen-frustration-venting rant about Waves borderline scammy "licensing service."

I was lured in by a few freebies from Waves over the years. They make good plugins, so why not? Those made their way into many projects in that time, I started buying some others and I even came to depend on them.

Now I come to find that unless I pay an additional $100, previously purchased plugins will not function again until November! Due to technical issues I've had to reinstall my OS and replace various components and did not have the forethought to deactivate my Waves plugin licenses beforehand (was only the furthest thing from my mind).

Word to the wise, before you get involved with shady Waves, realize the following: You only get 1 (one) machine license, which if lost can only be retrieved once per year. No amount of begging, berating or cajoling will get them to bend on this in my experience. Not unless you pony up for the annually renewable Waves Update Program.

I have actual hundreds of plugins and don't know of any other company charging to install them on more than one machine since it's pretty standard to have both a studio and a mobile setup.

You can pay for a second machine license (Waves has the audacity to call this feature of WUP a "free second license") through the "Waves Update Plan" which is only good for a year and can easily cost as much as the original license (it never goes on sale like the original purchase).

So essentially Waves is a subscription service in disguise. They want you to repurchase each copy of each plugin each year. Yea you can put the licenses on a flash drive and move it between machines...try not to ever forget or lose it tho...

I completely regret purchasing any Waves plugins and seriously consider replacing them with other products, rather than spend the $100 it will cost me to replace my lost license.

I'd be willing to bet the same amount that pirated versions don't suffer from any of these issues... I don't care. Stealing even seems justified by the predicament Waves greedy policies have put me in. Total bullshit...yea first world problems I know. But shame on Waves. Customer service completely ignored me after I said I wouldn't pay more to use plugins I already own. Dozens of my unfinished projects are already tied up in this mess....

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I don’t condone piracy, but I have on occasion been in a situation where I have downloaded and used pirate versions of software that I actually own. This has either been due to the legitimate software (which again, I had paid for) performing significantly worse than the illegitimate version, or because some element of the copy protection was so problematic that I would otherwise have been left without the tools to complete my work.

I would not condone piracy of software if you have not paid for it, naturally.

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Yeah more Waves horror stories. I bought a couple on a good sale. Liked 'em, bought some more. After installing the 2nd batch none of them will work. They show up in Reaper's VST list but refuse to load. Some people on the forum here have outlined various "how to's" for reinstalling their stuff. I thought about trying some of those things but then got thinking about what a pain it was to install and authorize them in the first place. Not to mention the silly USB dongle. They charge money for this? Get real.

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Yeah after a handful of times being locked out of my stuff I learned the following

1) always move licenses to the cloud before touching ANYTHING in the system
2) but stop buying and using Waves anyway just to be safe

okay, I still use L1 - but it's easily replacable I think

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Yeah after a handful of times being locked out of my stuff I learned the following

1) always move licenses to the cloud before touching ANYTHING in the system
2) but stop buying and using Waves anyway just to be safe

okay, I still use L1 - but it's easily replacable I think

That’s been my process too, the only waves plugins I really still use are Tune and CLA-2A. And I bought so many of their plugins, more than I like to admit.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles with Waves.

Personally, I've stopped being a customer of some companies due to far lesser problems than what you've described.

As for Waves specifically, I had tried their products years ago, and even then it was easy to predict that their licensing terms (and technical enforcement of them) would leave user at a disadvantage.

Since then, some other companies have shifted towards similar practices. Can't blame them as businesses needing to make ends meet - but as a user, I've given up on their products beyond what I already had purchased.

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I still use L1 - but it's easily replacable I think

Supposedly this: http://www.yohng.com/software/w1limit.html

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That is a very transparent limiter, the free price is right, and no copy protection scheme. I used it extensively on all my projects done in Windows.

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Not free, but the Fabfilter Pro L-2 is pretty good IMO.

And yeah...if I had paid for plugins that I couldn't use because of some bullshit like this, you'd better believe I'd be looking to torrent a working version of them. That's a whole other can of worms though, and if you can find suitable replacements for the Waves plugins you use, that might be the better approach.

The problem arrives when you have a lot of half-finished projects with the plugins, like you mentioned.

Personally, I'm surprised Waves didn't get hit with a class-action over this. I can't think of another company that doesn't allow you to simply deactivate your current licenses to free them up for different computers.

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Personally, I'm surprised Waves didn't get hit with a class-action over this. I can't think of another company that doesn't allow you to simply deactivate your current licenses to free them up for different computers.

They will have it sewn up in their terms and conditions good and tight. By buying their licences you will be agreeing to all the bullshit that goes along with it. It’s super frustrating because although they are a bit hit and miss Waves can make some really great stuff but they are desperately clinging on to the past rather than moving with the times. If they relaxed their drm somewhat and did away with the waves punishment plan, and charged what their plugins are *really worth* then I would bet more people would buy them and be happy to use them. If they were based in the UK they would be in huge trouble with trading standards as we have strict rules about what qualifies as a ‘sale’ that prevents companies doing what waves have been doing for the last couple of years and pitching a constant ‘sale’ even though they actually aren’t selling those products at the claimed full retail price anymore.

Waves, if you are listening - please just get rid of your drm (it doesn’t work anyway) and reduce your plugin prices permanently to their ‘sale prices’. Everybody knows your plugins aren’t selling for their fictional retail prices anymore, and your Waves User Punishment program is putting would be customers off, not retaining them. Sort it out would you? Cheers.
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Yeah after a handful of times being locked out of my stuff I learned the following

1) always move licenses to the cloud before touching ANYTHING in the system
2) but stop buying and using Waves anyway just to be safe

okay, I still use L1 - but it's easily replacable I think

Does moving a licence to the cloud make it more of a hassle to use the plugin? Just wondering, I've never done that.
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Does moving a licence to the cloud make it more of a hassle to use the plugin? Just wondering, I've never done that.

Yes. You have to deactivate it to the cloud from the first machine and then activate it from the cloud on the second and then vice versa, back n forth, pooping butts forever, except not amusing in the slightest. It is entirely useless sitting in the cloud.

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Or you could be doing what those of us who get very few issues with Waves did a long time ago.
Set up a usb stick to carry your waves licences. You can then download all the plugins you want on as many machines as you want.
Whichever machine you need to use them on, just plug in the usb stick and you are in business. I currently use my waves plugins on two Windows machines & am about to put my Mac Mini server back together and use the waves plugs on it as & when I need them in either reaper, Logic Pro or Mixbus 32c.

Doing it this way means that the only time you need to move your licences to the waves cloud are if you want to replace the USB stick with a new one & even then you still get one free restore per year without having to even look at WUP.

When I first became aware of WUP I almost dumped all my waves plugs. Then someone explained that WUP was optional and unnecessary if you just needed to maintain your existing plugins safely.

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When I first became aware of WUP I almost dumped all my waves plugs. Then someone explained that WUP was optional and unnecessary if you just needed to maintain your existing plugins safely.

Hey old friend, so how do I go about this. I've got all my Waves plugins on my Widows 7 and need to get them on my Windows 10. Both OS are on one computer, I've got a dual boot system.

I might add, I bought another Waves plugin last week and still haven't gotten it.

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Yep. I no longer use plugins from anywhere with DRM.
I refuse to put my time and my clients projects at risk.
The perceived benefit is far less than the real risk.

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Yep, I haven't had a single Waves plugin on my system for over 10 years, after getting stung. Have never looked back, plenty of other options as good as or better. Absolute worst business model....

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Yes, the licensing/ ownership (?) model has what has stopped me purchasing from them.
I’d be happy to buy a single plugin outright at a reasonable cost without needing an installation manager...........
I’m not holding my breath.

I’m content with what their competitors deliver so not fussed if they go to hell in a handcart!


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This is what I thought - then all of a sudden waves license manager startet acting up. Long story short - never again any Waves plugins on my system.

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@Tod: That`s one I have never encountered as I have always moved fdrom one Windows OS to the next exclusively.

If you treat them like to separate computers, it should work just fine, so download Waves Central onto your W10 side & run it after setting up a USB memory stick to carry your waves plugin authorisations.

This is even safer than moving them around via the waves cloud.
If you are unsure how to do the USB stick thing, there is a really clear & concise set of instructions on the Waves website.

And of course if you get stuck give me a holler & I`ll do what I can.

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Yes. You have to deactivate it to the cloud from the first machine and then activate it from the cloud on the second and then vice versa, back n forth, pooping butts forever, except not amusing in the slightest. It is entirely useless sitting in the cloud.

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This is what I thought - then all of a sudden waves license manager startet acting up. Long story short - never again any Waves plugins on my system.

Their licensing is at best a PITA and at worst a borderline scam. That said, their sibilance de-esser is the best one on the market and I cant really do without it.
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Their licensing is at best a PITA and at worst a borderline scam. That said, their sibilance de-esser is the best one on the market and I cant really do without it.

It's fine, but can fuck up your material, so be careful. It's a nice flavour but there are PLENTY of good deessers. My recommendation is the somewhat harder to use but excellent Harrison AVA DeEsser(mono only though). Get it when it's on sale for $30 or so. Pluginboutique or Audiodeluxe are usually the sites to check for that.


Concerning Waves, I feel you. A damn shame you didn't have that backup license to fall back on. I don't have a WUP-ass plan on almost all my plugins right now, so the single backup license is nice to have.

Izotope is much more lenient if your authoraztion on a USB stick goes poof. I asked them because their 'installer' was kinda funky if you already have stuff installed via single installers.

If your projects depend on it, $100 of WUP-ass isn't the worst thing. At least that's quick, unlike sending in an iLok, if you do not have that $30/year insurance. Price of business, as if that helps.

Whatever you're using, there are alternatives.

Comon, lay it on us. We're all here sharing Waves-sucks-sometimes-stories. I'm sure we have good ideas on alternatives to their plugins.

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@Tod: That`s one I have never encountered as I have always moved fdrom one Windows OS to the next exclusively.

If you treat them like to separate computers, it should work just fine, so download Waves Central onto your W10 side & run it after setting up a USB memory stick to carry your waves plugin authorisations.

This is even safer than moving them around via the waves cloud.
If you are unsure how to do the USB stick thing, there is a really clear & concise set of instructions on the Waves website.

And of course if you get stuck give me a holler & I`ll do what I can.

Thanks Ivan, I'm going to take some steps today to see how things might go.

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Izotope is much more lenient if your authoraztion on a USB stick goes poof. I asked them because their 'installer' was kinda funky if you already have stuff installed via single installers.

I've got to look into Izotope more, I hear and see a lot of good things abut them.

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Ha ha, well maybe we should star a thread a just call it "Waves Alternatives".

Incidentally Airon, because of all the great advice you and Glennbo gave me, I just finished my first computer build from scratch. This is for my daughter who needs it to create and edit videos. I had to build it for less then $1,000, not counting the monitor, so I used an AMD 5 3600 along with a MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX motherboard. I had a few hairy moments when I tried to use the onboard AMD graphics, because no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get into the BIOS. FInally the video card I ordered came a couple of days later and I finally was able to finish it off with Windows 10. It's really quiet and works great.

Now I'm going to build one for my wife, maybe I should go into the computer build business, ha ha, that'll be the day.

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Izotope is much more lenient if your authoraztion on a USB stick goes poof.

Exactly why I didn't take it too seriously when the software warned me I can only retrieve licenses once a year (oh please!, I thought, rolling my eyes). Izotope and others have all responded promptly to an email about de-authorizing inaccessible computers. Because who gives a fuck? Let me use the shit I bought! I can't help it if my computer keeps fucking up!

However, Izotope has by far the most obnoxious "managers" around. I dread having to reinstall those plugins, as the three or so that I own from them + content take at least half a day to install. What's the point of an "installation manager" when you can't even queue more than one download/installation at a time and have to hold it's hand through each install process??

I wanna give up on Waves, I really do, but I use CLA-2A constantly and even dialing up two knobs on an alternative for the number of instances I have rn...hmm. Smack Attack rules too. I thought I had go-to transient shapers but they just don't cut it after trying that.

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never EVER use pirated software.

No matter how terrible some of these fucking companies are.

I would NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, even if the PIRATES THEMSELVES had a gun to my CAT'S head would EVER use pirated software.

But if I did,

this thread would be my justification

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Well I think I've had enough. I tried to get my waves plugins installed on my Win-10 today and it totally messed up my whole computer.

In the process of installing the plugins on Win-10 I did manage to get most of the plugins installed and activated except for a few that I got for free. So following the directions I got from the Waves tech guy I tried to get them loaded and that's when things started going bad. I closed out of the Waves Central and tried to open Reaper but it kept crashing on me.

So I went back to my Windows-7 and all the shortcuts for my Reaper installs were gone, by that I mean the icons turned into white squares and didn't work any more. Then I tried to open the SSD I had Windows-10 on and it wasn't there. I mean it disappeared from my computer. So I thought maybe a restart would do something, but the computer froze in the process and I had to do a hard shutdown.

Then when I turned my computer back on it started doing a "check disk", so I let it go and nearly 10 minutes later I got back into Win-7 and for the most part it was restored. Even the SSD I had Win-10 on was back.

I don't think I'm going to try get Waves installed on my Win-10, I'll be out a few 100 bucks but it's just not worth it. The Waves Central method is wicked and I think they're cutting there own throat doing it that way.

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never EVER use pirated software.

No matter how terrible some of these fucking companies are.

I would NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, even if the PIRATES THEMSELVES had a gun to my CAT'S head would EVER use pirated software.

But if I did,

this thread would be my justification

I wouldn’t condone it either, the only exception being where I had paid for something that I couldn’t use due to a problem created by the developer - be that a bug or some drm issue. If someone has paid for a plugin I don’t think it matters at that point where it’s being downloaded from, assuming it isn’t being shared of course.
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I am a bit confused. I don't use Waves too often, but I own many from years ago. Newest are V9. I have never been locked out of them. Just to make sure, I just loaded all of them after seeing your post.

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I wouldn’t condone it either, the only exception being where I had paid for something that I couldn’t use due to a problem created by the developer - be that a bug or some drm issue. If someone has paid for a plugin I don’t think it matters at that point where it’s being downloaded from, assuming it isn’t being shared of course.

I was high when I wrote that. No idea if that was an attempt at sarcasm.

What I mean to say is... ahem...

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Put me in the "I'll never buy any Waves plugins again" camp.

Too many problems (as discussed above) to make them worth buying.

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Same happens with their giveaways. I'd better just avoid Waves due to its policy (and a bad Reaper support). Also try to avoid IK Multimedia. There are plenty of cool developers with awesome plugins and simple protection. As we all know, heavy protection mostly harms legal users.

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Put me in the "I'll never buy any Waves plugins again" camp.

Too many problems (as discussed above) to make them worth buying.

It's also a good practice to avoid their giveaways (reasons above).

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Rule of thumb:

If the software maker doesn't offer their product for purchase, they don't really have a product!

If the only option is to "rent", it's a scam. No business would want this look. If their product performed so poorly it would lead to refunds, renting the "service" would be a workaround for that to them. It might look bad but at least they have your money and they don't have to entertain returns and refunds. There's really no other explanation that holds water.

Waves is a legacy product now for sure.

I wouldn't install anything from them without making a backup clone of my system drive first! Then deny their calls home with your network monitor and choose the offline install options.

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Exactly why I didn't take it too seriously when the software warned me I can only retrieve licenses once a year (oh please!, I thought, rolling my eyes). Izotope and others have all responded promptly to an email about de-authorizing inaccessible computers. Because who gives a fuck? Let me use the shit I bought! I can't help it if my computer keeps fucking up!

However, Izotope has by far the most obnoxious "managers" around. I dread having to reinstall those plugins, as the three or so that I own from them + content take at least half a day to install. What's the point of an "installation manager" when you can't even queue more than one download/installation at a time and have to hold it's hand through each install process??

I was concerned when the installation manager used machine authorization instead of placing the authorization on a USB stick. It's not Izotopes finest moment, which is why I was relieved they're not too funky on the number of authorizations.


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Keep looking.

Blackroosteraudio is heavy on CPU compared to the CLA variants (2A and 3A), but they sound good. Thankfully there are quite a few good LA2A variants, such as IK. There seem to be some free ones too.

Audiotools Level Tool:
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I've got a few Wave's plugins...

But I think pirates love to sail on those waves and do it pretty well.

(of course pun was intended, in fact - the raeson for this post)

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Interesting!
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My Waves plugins did their last work on my latest project (album, 2020). And even though I love the plugins as plugins, because they really sound great; and even though I spent around $1000 on them, I will not buy or use a single Waves plugins again until Waves change/drop their stupid WaveShell architecture and also improve their Wave Central system. If that should never happen – well, then I guess I’ll never use the plugins again.

It’s a shame though. Because the last Waves plugin I bought was CLA MixHub – and I just LOVED it! I also love the CLA Classic Compressors, the C4 Multiband Compressor and the absolute fantastic (old) SSL E-Channel … Not to mention the H-Reverb and the GTR Stomps (not the amps, though). I could go on forever.

What’s even worse … I can’t sell/transfer the plugins. Because, even if I decided to give them away for free, the whole process would end up costing more than actually buying the plugins from the Waves store. COME ON! So they’ll just float around up there in the License Cloud, useless, for all eternity …

I have replaced the Waves with FabFilter equivalents. It’s quite easy to get the Pro-C2 to sound like the CLA-2A and the CLA-76. OK, the experienced will probably hear that it’s not exactly the same (it never is), but in the final mix it’s pretty hard to tell. And the Saturn(2) is the perfect tool to get the “vintage” out of a sound/source. I’ll miss the GTR Stomps, though, those good oldies. Not that most of them can’t be replicated with FabFilter/other plugins, but I’ll miss the “fast dial ins”, and especially with the SSL E-Channel.

But other than that: Waves sucks granite block!

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Unbelievable that you have to pay Waves in order to sell your licenses. Bar none the greediest plugin company out there.

I really wanted that SSL-E strip actually...I demoed it and it was fast and great, maybe even preferred it to Scheps Omni. The IK version I have has this clicking problem with the gate that I can't deal with.

But yea I'm not giving them another dime after this experience. A shame. Hope Waves burn.

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